Attacks on LGF are Revealing
Though I don't have time to follow it as closely as I'd like to, I think Charles Johnson's Little Green Footballs is one of the best (non-objectivist) blogs out there. He's for free speech and strongly against Islamic totalitarianism -- and wants the Republicans to rally around those issues. But in order to be on the side of the rational, he adamantly thinks the Republicans must drop creationism (and its modern variant, intelligent design) and any other fundamentalist religious views, as well as to denounce the irrational "fringe" views that so many in the party hold (like being against vaccines, engaging in conspiracy theories, etc.). He's also very honest, and thus won't let Republicans criticize the Democrats for things they too have done (for example Bush bowed to the Saudi King just as Obama recently did). Lately he's suggested that Glenn Beck's apocalyptic and over-the-top sensationalism is a disservice to serious Republicans. What have his reasonable views brought him? Vilification from the religious Right, including from nuts like Pam Geller (who really should give up her blog name "Atlas Shrugs" forthwith), and even from Robert Spencer. It's really quite a sad spectacle.
P.S. here's a funny spoof of Beck that Charles put up earlier this week.
Update: I've turned off comments as I think everyone has had their say about the original post, and I don't really want to host a thread devoted to minute by minute updates of someone else's blog.
posted by Amit Ghate at 2:34 PM
116 Comments:
Maybe you SHOULD be following it [lgf] a little more closely.
Johnson's attacks are also quite revealing.
He's for free speech??? He just banned a bunch of commenters, and even deleted some of their comments. He only allows comments from registered users, and only allows registration during very rare periods.
He's not a conservative or a libertarian. He's a neocon. The only thing "conservative" about him is his hawkishness. He's socially liberal and doesn't seem to give a damn about fiscal/economic matters one way or the other.
For the last three months, he's been bashing REAL conservatives in an effort to completely hijack the GOP for the "moderates," just like David Frum. He's frankly jumped the shark. You should pay attention more closely.
Hey, he posted back at'cha! Thanks for the support.
This is happening on LGF, too. Every time Charles posts a new opinion, he gets a reaction from his commenters; this is fine of course, but in the midst of it he gets abuse too. Lately, these guys have been tossing around links to Birch Society websites (I'd thought they closed down in the 1950s - guess not!).
As for the attacking outside sites, I have to quibble with how you cite Spencer. He was this bad all along. But since he and the people like him were on "the same side", we overlooked the full implications of his work. Shame on us.
Other sites were more of a disappointment; we always knew they were a bit too cozy with the far right and creationism, but we had figured that if their friends got too nuts, they would back away. Again, guess not.
I'd be interested in knowing Anonymous 4:11PM's story. I figure he's either on the far right himself, or he's one of the bitter souls whom Charles has ejected from the site over the past year.
Free speech my ass. Johnson deletes and bans longtime commenters for simply up or down-dinging comments the 'wrong way'.
You mean, "ginning up a mob in Charles's own chatroom to down ding commenters you don't like, en masse". Or did you mean, "to up ding commenters who're doing your namecalling for you, en masse"?
zimri-
I never went to the lgf chatroom. I was a long time commenter who was not banned. When I was there I never involved myself in the comments ratings system. Who has time to see who is 'dinging' every utterance or not? I certainly don't.
I grew to dislike the tenor of what was happening there. The 'lizards' [some of which I still like personally] have become rather shrill and hostile to any differing opinion.
I am not far right. I'm a centrist who just doesn't give a hoot that much about creationists. Hope that answers your questions/assumptions.
Yeah, Charles Johnson stands for a lot of cool things. Or used to.
Then he started systematically purging individuals who failed to agree with him in every particular, including a number of individuals who participated in his blog for a number of months without comment--until he noticed that they were heretics from his Charles-Centric world view.
Their crime? It wasn't the fact that they were "fundamentalists", it was the fact that they were merely open and believing Christians: even those fully supporting evolution.
Finally, on one occasion he outed one of his own posters by name simply for disagreeing with him, revealing his real name and professional website. That person was the undersigned.
Full story at http://preview.tinyurl.com/stfutballs.
And no, Charles--and I know you're reading this--I will neither forgive nor let this go. Your actions were completely despicable.
REPEAT OF BASIC MESSAGE: POST AT LITTLE GREEN FOOTBALLS AT YOUR OWN RISK.
Honest? Pro-free speech?
You must be living in a parallel universe, mate.
The (remaining) Lizard army is an echo chamber of sycophants where dissenters are quickly eliminated.
(who reads their comments anyway?)
LGF is irrelevant.
While I agree with much of what you wrote concerning LGF, I do wish the revisionist history would stop. Once and for all, President Bush DID NOT bow to the King of Saudi Arabia. He lowered his head so that the King could place a medal over his head. President Obama, on he other hand, DID bow to the King. Video's of both incidents are clear and unambiguous.
There is confusion as to what free speech is. Free speech does not mean that people must listen to you or allow you to use their private property to express your views (as Mr. Johnson does on his *private* site Little Green Footballs); freedom of speech means freedom from the coercion of government to silence you or a particular group.
A right can only be violated by physical force, and Mr. Johnson is not using physical force when he moderates his forum. If he wants no dissenting opinions, it is his right to delete such posts, regardless of whether or not it is rational in the context of debate.
Charles Johnson was never a "conservative" or a "Republican." He simply hates Muslims and so he supported Bush's wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. He also unambiguously supports every action that Israel takes, as long as it results in dead Muslims.
It is hilarious to see Charles Johnson calling out other people for allegedly being "fringe" or "extremist" or "racist." I believe this is known to psychologists as "projection."
I agree with the guy above me.
Obama bowed spontaneously, enthusiastically and fully for the Saudi king.
Spin it, ignore it, deny it, turn it into one of those 'fringy' issues if they like. But every single time I see the video I end up cursing loudly. I don't know why. It's just the American in me.
Freedom of speech means the right to say what you want -- without violating the rights of others. Property owners have a right to set any limits on speech on their own property.
Censorship is the imposition of aggression (the initiation of physical force or the threat of it) between a willing speaker and a willing listener.
No owner of a weblog can impose "censorship" on his own weblog.
"Fringe conspiracy theory" is a staple of the left, ie, 911 as an inside job. Chalk up vaccine nonsense under the 10% rule and accept it has no party. Charles is wasting my time exposing the radical creationism in my party, it is not in my top ten of issues. dave
Burgess-
Censorship does not normally come with the threat of physical violence. Look at the media today. It's as ordinary as your breakfast toast. As simple as killing a story, editorial or a photo.
Charles has a right to do with his blog what he wants. He can delete, ban at will. He's just developing a reputation as a tyrant.
Burgess, yeah. Controlling what is permanently posted at visible parts of your property is sovereignty. Censorship is when some government cuts into your sovereignty in this manner.
A government censor is basically someone who thinks he owns you and your speech. Charles Johnson doesn't try to control what you do on your OWN site (although he'll call you out if you post an antiSemitic youtube video).
Ooh, so now Afghanistan was Bush's war? I thought that was Osama Bin Laden's war, which he declared in 1998.
I leave it to the unbiased readers. Against Charles we have those who hate "neocons" (wink); creationists; opponents of private property (all the whiners about censorship); and apologists for al-Qaeda and the Taliban (and Saddam). With enemies like these, he barely needs friends.
Against Charles we have those who hate "neocons" (wink); creationists; opponents of private property (all the whiners about censorship); and apologists for al-Qaeda and the Taliban (and Saddam). >>>
Yes, you forgot to mention "people who fail to agree with him and kiss his hienie without reservation."
With enemies like these, he barely needs friends.>>
Well, I'm glad he barely needs friends, because based on his behavior, he won't have many in short order.
Zimri, I hate to be the one to break it to you but adding a rating system and then banning people because they don't rate things the way you want them to is pretty messed up.
He banned people for updinging positive Robert Spencer comments. He has banned people for down dinging anti-Robert Spencer comments.
He put a ratings system on his threads, but banned people that gave the threads a negative rating.
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That's past censorship... he's trying internet thought control. You can think it... you just can't think it there.
His ratings system is simply bait.
He has banned people for linking to blogs he does not like - on their OWN blogs.
Keep defending him. That way you can stay with all of your slimy friends. I mean, what's a loss of principles when you get to be a lizard!
gag.
Wow you are one dimwit if you believe all that crap you wrote. free speech my freaking tail. dont know what your pay off is here, just shows you are dense.
In fact this very blog links to Jihad Watch. Which is of course a big, NO-NO in Liberal Green Footballs land.
I'm surprised you're not banned or de-linked already!
"Internet thought control" - You know, you can block that out pretty easily.
There are a few intelligent people who post on LGF - Charles isn't one of them. He is too shallow a thinker to understand how deeply flawed he is on several issues. Charles occasionally remarks about how voracious a reader he is - I tend to think he is a reclusive, fragile soul - the weekly photo from nature or of things like "spigots" are there just to create the illusion he actually steps outside every once in a while. Lately, he seems paranoid as he "outs" people who may not post often, but "ding-down" a post he agrees with.
Now there will be a flurry of posts over at LGF fluttering over the fact that all 'the haters' are over here 'bad-mouthing' poor brave little Charles, Prince of the Internet.
The man is a humorless egotistic tyrant who has no love for conservatism, and zero tolerance for anyone that does not align with his own twisted world view.
He indeed instituted a ratings system to 'out' any opposition. He hasn't an original thought in his head, and bans anyone who actually does.
His supporters will now proceed to throw flowers furiously at his feet in their attempts to out-do each other in their ass-kissing attempts to keep his ego stoked and their favor intact.
They are scared to death of being banned by him, and any long-time posters left there now are simply tailoring their posts to stay part of the cult. Or keep silent. You know who you are.
What I want to ask them is - Why?
Principles tossed under the bus in slavish devotion to a personality. Sounds a lot like the Obama phenomenon if you ask me.
All one has to do is check out how Charles is responding to post #354 - a reasonable response to #7. Charles deals with it by dragging out the person's history at LGF and is now ranting about creationism and dinosaurs on the Ark? WTF?
The maroon thinks I'm a YOUNG EARTH CREATIONIST?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
Charles has now posted this:
"I think it’s great that you guys have such empty lives that you can find nothing better to do than monitor LGF, go to blogs that I link, and post weird hateful comments about me."
Well, Chuck. I think it's great that you have such an empty life that you can find nothing better to do than to run around the internet looking for blogs that mention you, then put up entire posts featuring them , applaud yourself mightily, and then sit in wait to mock folks who have something to say on the blog that you featured.
It is to laugh.
'Weird'? 'Hateful'?
It's the truth. That's all.
Chuckles is an internet bully. Hey, Chuckee why don't you do another boorish post about creationism. It only shows you are afraid.
One joke here--not only have I never espoused young earth creationism, I actually am as hostile to creationism being taught in science class as Charles is.
It's just that The Squire of Gothos is a pathetic maroon, and can't stand that he's demonstrably wrong about something--not young earth creationism, but outing one of his own posters.
I repeat the basic message: anyone who posts to his blog should know that six months from now he may out you or worse, unless you kiss his behind at all times.
You are flat out wrong in this characterization of Republicans. In my town in Massachusetts, the people who oppose vaccines and community water fluoridation are liberal Democrat whack-jobs. Republicans are rational and thoughtful people (with an occasional whack-job - but they are outliers, not the norm). And as a scientist, why can't I meld my belief in evolution with a belief that it was a grand design by a loving and intelligent God? After all, the Big Bang was the hand-clap of God.
Did anyone notice Sharmuta sucking CJ's ass? hahah
Johnson's Bush bow post is one of the strangest and most dishonest things I've read on a mainstream blog for a while. He posted a frame from a clip (which frame the reader could click to watch the clip) which showed George Bush with his head lowered in what looked like a bow. For those who bothered watching the video, however, Bush in fact lowered his head so the Saudi "king" could place a medal around his neck. It was not a bow or an act of reverence. To compare it to Obama's embarrassingly sycophantic act of physical self-humbling - as Johnson did - was simply a lie.
Not just a plain lie but a lie so weird that you have to wonder about the state of mind of the person trying to get away with it.
The Squire of Gothos? A liar????
Who knew?
Charles is a Totalitarian Corporatist fascists. He believes in attacking those whose opinions he don't agree with. How come he never took Keith Olbermann to tak but attacks Glenn Beck. he also lied about the VB, which was the only party in Belgium to support israel. His website allows bashing of Hispanics but you can't insult Islam
Lot of anonymous criticism here. Must be lots of former lizards awfully broken up that the lizard lounge went away so they had to find another forum for their sour grapes and whine tasting.
I'll hand it to Kent though, you at least identify yourself. Obsess much do you? Squire of Gothos indeed, Capt. Ahab.
Charles rules are pretty straightforward and easy enough to follow. Agreement with Charles never has been one of the rules, but if you disagree in a disagreeable manner, you'll get a warning, sometimes several, before you get the stick.
Those that are complaining about banishment for "minor offenses" were warned. When they chose to ignore those warnings they found a consequence to their actions and many did not like it one single bit. But as Charles is fond of saying, feel free to start your own blog if you don't like the topics or the rules here.
So, snowhawk, do YOU think it was cool for Charles to out me, identify me by name, and post my professional website, as his flying monkey "lizards" urged each other to send hate mail to my "boss" to get me fired?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Call me Captain Ahab if you want--but the fact is that Mr. Johnson could have cost me my job under other circumstances. He needs to learn that you can't try to destroy people without consequences.
I think Charles is great. He has the balls to kiss the butt of the Christian Right even though he is a strong Republican supporter.
Creationists are laughing stocks and an embarrassment to the USA, and the Republican Party keep trying to blur the line between church and state. It ruined them in the last election.
Oh, I'm Canadian by the way, but I feel for Charles. And now he is a Neo-Nazi? What a bunch of whack jobs.
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"I think Charles is great."
You know what they say about opinions.
"He has the balls to kiss the butt of the Christian Right even though he is a strong Republican supporter."
The balls to KISS the butt...? Hardly. He may KICK it, but kiss?
"Creationists are laughing stocks and an embarrassment to the USA, and the Republican Party keep trying to blur the line between church and state."
Well, we're not yet putting our old folks to death like in certain European countries (even if we insist on exterminating our unborn), so I guess Christianity DOES have its limited cultural uses.
And as for "blur the lines between church and state," I seem to note another party that is trying to use the state to obliterate the Church (even if certain heretics within that Church are trying to give its head an undeserved law degree.)
"It ruined them in the last election."
Oh, really? I thought that it was a combination of war-weariness and paranoia about a manufactured banking crisis. But I'm just an American, what do I know?
"Oh, I'm Canadian by the way"
In other words, a free rider, that is, an American who fails to pay his fair share of the North American defense bill.
"....but I feel for Charles. And now he is a Neo-Nazi?"
I don't recall anybody here making that assertion.
What a bunch of whack jobs.>>
That's a mirror you're staring into.
With historical links to fascism via the pro-eugenics founders of Planned Parenthood and Marie Stopes International and having a disproportionate death toll among American blacks, the most damaging and revolting anti-science movement in the United States today is the pro-abortion lobby. Pelosi, Biden, Obama - none of them know when life begins and deny unborn life is human. It's beyond their pay grade! Charles the heroic enemy of "intelligent design" doesn't mock that lobby, however. Reason: he's an intellectual coward.
I'm a registered lizard and longtime reader of Charles' blog and thoroughly enjoy it each day. I too am weirded out by the Bush/Obama bow comparison by Charles. I guess he thinks that bowing ones head to receive a medal (Bush) is the same as Obama's full-on bow to the King. This is such a bizarre comparison I'm not sure why he continues this. Anyone of sound mind that views both comes to the conclusion that they are quite different. Charles has even gone as far as find a few people that agree with him, so therefore he's correct. Its almost as bad as the White House lying about the "bow". Its sad when someone just can't admit they're wrong and continue to dig deeper. Pathetic!
Charles is a pragmatist.
Ancient wisdom holds that when discovering you’re riding a dead horse, dismount.
However, organizations often try other strategies, including:
1. Changing riders
2. Using a stronger whip
3. Falling back on, "This is the way we’ve always ridden."
4. Appointing a committee to study the horse.
5. Arranging a visit to other sites to see how they ride dead horses.
6. Increasing the standards for riding dead horses.
7. Appointing a group to revive dead horses.
8. Creating a training workshop to improve riding skills.
9. Comparing dead horses in today’s environment.
10. Changing requirements so the horse no longer meets the standard for death.
11. Hiring a consultant to show how to ride dead horses.
12. Harnessing several dead horses together to increase their speed.
13. Increase funding to improve dead horse performance.
14. Declaring that no horse is too dead to beat.
15. Studying to see if outsourcing will reduce the cost of riding a dead horse.
16. Buying the latest computer program to enhance dead horse performance.
17. Forming a workgroup to find uses for dead horses.
18. Changing performance requirements for the horse.
19. Declaring a dead horse less costly than a live one.
20. Promoting the dead horse to a supervisory position.
and then there's Chuckle's approach which is:
...accuse the vet filling out the death certificate of being a fanatical creationist/anti-vaccinist/whatever "whack job" and decreeing his horses are immortal, while his flying monkeys chant agreement in unison.
...and no, I didn't write the list.
I got it from
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:sewae-0Bx0oJ:www.businesspsychologist.com/bpnews101.html+%22Dead+horse+dismount%22&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us.
Give me a post title and comment number and I'll have look, but don't think I'll just trust your word on that. That would be very unlike Charles.
The full story with links is here:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/stfutballs
It is as I said. I'm not posting this stuff just out of ego. The man is *dangerous.*
It is 1:05 AM. EST Thursday.
Good night.
Ah, I see. You missed the part where Charles said that he is free to post the entire contents of any email sent to the site. You go around claiming that he just out and published your information because he didn't like you, but that's not the whole story, is it. You gave him permission be sending that email.
A lie of omission is still a lie. You should know that, as proud as you are of those three little letters appended to your name.
Goodbye Richard.
Well, apparently I just got "Blocked" from his site for mentioning I liked the 5,000 Year Leap Book. I know nothing of the authors conspiracy theory background, just that it was a good book. Not sure if the block is permanent, I was registered there since 2004, but I guess that came to an end today.
It's funny how quickly he is to toss the word extremist at people (that book is far from extremist), yet when I first read his site I thought he was a bit of an extremist obsessed with Palestinians and his constant "jihad watch" updates. Then I got to know the community and saw that he was just a post 9-11 hawk when it came to Islamic Fascism.
But I think he's got some serious emotional issues. Banning some neo-Nazi who hates Jews is one thing, but he just runs an overall hostile environment these days. He emulates those he hates.
Damn shame too. LGF and Hot Air are heading in opposite directions. LGF is run by a mad megalomaniac while Hot Air is being overrun with trolls. I need to find some place in between the two for commenting. I suppose The Activity Pit for Red Eye will do. :)
Ah, I see. You missed the part where Charles said that he is free to post the entire contents of any email sent to the site. You go around claiming that he just out and published your information because he didn't like you, but that's not the whole story, is it. You gave him permission be sending that email.>>
You either didn't read closely or you didn't WANT to read closely.
There's nothing in that "agreement' that gave him permission to list my post name and to link to my professional site.
I stand by my argument. And the disingeniousness of your accusation is typical of Lizarddom.
LGF and Hot Air are heading in opposite directions. LGF is run by a mad megalomaniac while Hot Air is being overrun with trolls. I need to find some place in between the two for commenting. I suppose The Activity Pit for Red Eye will do. :)>>
Come on over to
infinitemonkeyatthekeyboard.blogspot.com. Get in on the ground floor.
Charles Johnson is a screw ball. He's teetering on the edge of a full blown mental meltdown. His caustic comment threads full of hateful and vile vermin he calls his 'Lizard Army' is testament to his tolerance of, er, hateful and vile vermin. Disagree with him and his theorys and/or views, you're the hateful one. Rate his stories the wrong way, and get banned.
Basically, Charles Johnson is a narcissistic douche bag.
He deletes comments and bans members that don't walk lock-step with him and his gang of lizoids.
Charles Johnson and Little Green Foozeballs is a waste of bandwidth. I wouldn't piss on Charles Johnson, or his Lizoids, if they were on fire.
If you don't like Johnson's work, make your own echo chamber, I'm sure the lot of you will find plenty of supporters.
Don't call it censorship, no one is "silencing" you, Johnson provided the very forum you speak on.
Don't call it "tyranny", as if having the right to manage your property is somehow anti-thetical to freedom.
Charles Johnson certainly has the right to ban people who have differing opinions. But doing so does not make him a champion of free speech.
His site is still a very good one, and is particularly useful for pointing out when mainstream media outlets are trying to "finesse" the news. But Johnson does have his own biases, especially against people who practice a religious faith. There is an ongoing purge of Christians from the LGF site, who are either hounded into silence or banned. Likewise, Johnson and his loyalists are not above scanning the comments on other boards and banning people from LGF based on what they say - which is why most all the negative comments about LGF that you'll read are done by anonymous commentators (including yours truly).
The LGF site is still a good place to visit, especially if you want to get the lowdown on the latest news regarding Islamic fundamentalism, atheist activism, and the like. But toleration is not one of the strongpoints here. Trolls aren't tolerated there, but neither is dissent of any kind. That's the honest, objective truth, backed by the empirical evidence - I would be doing the original principles of LGF a disservice by stating otherwise.
Someone posts something that is not negative about Charles Johnson or LGF, and the response is
"Smithers, release the hounds."
"Yes, sir."
"Smithers?"
"Yes, sir?"
"Why are the hounds eating each other? Haven't they been fed?"
"Why, yes sir they were fed a week ago."
"Hmm. Smithers?"
"Yes, sir?"
"Why is an esquire hound being eaten by a mutt? Aren't the esquires supposed to be cleaning the stables?"
"Why, yes sir, they are. I'll look into it."
"Do so. And Smithers."
"Yes, sir?"
"Leave me alone. I want to relish this blood bath."
The comments for this blog post are hysterical. Those commentators that are banned former LGF posters are revealing exactly why they were banned with their paranoid, off-the-wall rants.
Wow, Charles "hates" Muslims? The guy who bans people for even suggesting mass deportation of Muslims (since he knows that would lead to mass murder of Muslims)? Charles is a "neocon" AND a social liberal AND a moderate all at once? Charles is trying to "hijack" the GOP for the moderates? (Charles would be flattered that you think he has so much power lol!)
Charles is just a guy who is for sanity and rationality over ideology and dogma and religious fanaticism any day. Apparently some folks can't deal with that, and would rather bang their heads against brick walls and promote absurd creationist fantasies than actually do anything constructive to oppose the rise of socialism and other destructive liberal policies in this country.
I agree with the first comment. I see his bootlickers have found their way here. Pointing fingers at the use of guilt by associations is really hysterical in its projection. Charles really is a puke...go spend some time there and it will not take long for you to witness it yourself.
hehe
So darwinist rage boy has found a fan? ;-) And with the usual "sane conservative" nonsense.
The Republican Party survived very well with creationists, pro-lifers and pro-normal marriage folks. Why should liberal "conservatives" now dictate the path the Republican party should follow?
If you don't like conservativa values, which include "All are CREATED equal", then get back to the dumbocrat party.
I noticed Republican has become another word for scientifically illiterate. God-soaked idiots have permanently destroyed the Republican party.
I noticed Republican has become another word for scientifically illiterate.
Has become that TO WHO? LIberals? WHo cares what they say?
God-soaked idiots have permanently destroyed the Republican party.
Yeah, permanently. The Republicans will never win a election again in the history of the USA.
boxxxxx has said it.
"I think Charles is great."
You know what they say about opinions.
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And I see yours being spewed all over the post comments here.
"He has the balls to kiss the butt of the Christian Right even though he is a strong Republican supporter."
The balls to KISS the butt...? Hardly. He may KICK it, but kiss?
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Sorry, I meant, he doesn't kiss Christian Right butt.
"Creationists are laughing stocks and an embarrassment to the USA, and the Republican Party keep trying to blur the line between church and state."
Well, we're not yet putting our old folks to death like in certain European countries (even if we insist on exterminating our unborn), so I guess Christianity DOES have its limited cultural uses.
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I'm all for pro-choice, but then again I wasn't brainwashed in a Catholic home.
And as for "blur the lines between church and state," I seem to note another party that is trying to use the state to obliterate the Church (even if certain heretics within that Church are trying to give its head an undeserved law degree.)
"It ruined them in the last election."
Oh, really? I thought that it was a combination of war-weariness and paranoia about a manufactured banking crisis. But I'm just an American, what do I know?
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The war had something to do with it, so did the economy, but McCain put the nail in the coffin by selecting Palin.
"Oh, I'm Canadian by the way"
In other words, a free rider, that is, an American who fails to pay his fair share of the North American defense bill.
"....but I feel for Charles. And now he is a Neo-Nazi?"
I don't recall anybody here making that assertion.
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Jihad Watch and Atlas Shrugs made a connection. Read the LGF posts.
What a bunch of whack jobs.>>
That's a mirror you're staring into.
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Really? I'm a whack job? Based on what?
What makes you a whack job?
"Lady, if you gots to ask you'll never know" (attributed to Satchmo).
As for being "brainwashed in a Catholic home", as your anti-Catholic bigotry has you express it, I'd rather be brainwashed in favor of human life than against it--for my own safety's sake. I don't want to be put to death by Dr. Kevorkian's spiritual grandchildren simply because the insurance company decrees it so.
Charles is just a guy who is for sanity and rationality over ideology and dogma and religious fanaticism any day.>>
Atheist "sanity and rationality" when given absolute power built Auschwitz--the Gulag--the Laogai--the killing fields--the Kravica barn.
I'll pass.
I hereby coin a new word to describe Charles "Darwin" Johnson and all who would shove Christianity out the airlock:
"Atheocrat." Rule by no God other than themselves
Atheocract is a good word for darwinist rage boy (aka Charles Johnson).
McCain put the nail in the coffin by selecting Palin.
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Last August, my sources at GOP National HQ had us losing 48 out of 50 states for the Presidential race, 60 house seats and having a 62-dem-Senate before Palin was selected. Thanks to her, we *overperformed* what was expected by the smart money by about 50%.
If Obama keeps this stuff up, we'll retake the Senate in 2010.
Nice try.
On my personal threat meter (and I am not a hard core ideologue conservative, I was a Giuliani supporter in 2008) - Creationism and Intelligent Design is one step below "Vince" the ShamWow guy and "Flo" the Progressive Isnurance girl. I think that Charles is developing acute paranoia and so many veteran posters at LGF are finding alternative blogs such as Hot Air and Ace of Spades. There are a few old timers left at LGF who do nothing but praise and agree with everything Charles writes.
Have they started washing his feet yet?
Charles is right.
The birth certificate freaks, the 'Obama is a Muslim' idiots, the religious fools, all of you have been ruining the Conservative movement.
If we want to win we need to get rid of you. GO FORM ANOTHER PARTY. You will not destroy the Convervatives any longer.
If we want to win we need to get rid of you. >>
If you REALLY want to win you need to DEAL with us.
Believe it or not, there is much on LGF I still agree with. But as I said the day he outed me: THE GOP CANNOT WIN WITHOUT RELIGIOUS BELIEVERS.
Just remember, history has shown when the atheocrats are on the march, first the religious believers go, then go the rest of the conservatives. "We must hang together, or surely we shall all hang separately." - B. Franklin, 1776. And I mean "hang" quite literally.
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"Gott! Gib' es nicht!"
- Inspector Robert Mohr to Sophie Scholl, Munich, February 1943
http://infinitemonkeyatthekeyboard.blogspot.com/2009/03/sun-still-shines.html
Wow - it's sad that you folks have so little life away from the keyboard that you allow what happens on someone's blog to so thoroughly disrupt your lives....
Turn off the computer, and go outside once in awhile.
The term that you're looking for is "Tu quoque". See you out there.
Johnson is weak. I always thought so. Picking on the religious, the libertarians, and the Obamaphobes, costs him nothing. It's a safe "stance" for him. In his mind, by taking shots at these folks, he comes off as being hip and liberated while still "conservative." Nothing can be further from the truth.
The hilarity is that this civil war is between him and another paranoid -- Robert Spencer. Jeez, to hell with the lot of them.
Anonymous said ... Once and for all, President Bush DID NOT bow to the King of Saudi Arabia. He lowered his head so that the King could place a medal over his head.
Come off it. He strolled hand in hand with the sociopath through the garden in Crawford. Bush is more pathetic than Obama, if that's possible.
I think we need to udnerstand that the GOP need not pander to relgious believers but should be ahome for peopel of faith.
It is sad the LGF, a blog that I followed daily since the beginning has degenerated so. LGF just like the Daily Kos and DU have become echo chambers of anti-religious rants where Christian beliefs are ridiculed as stupid and backward.
There is no free speech at LGF anymore, any views contrary to Charles are deleted and the owner is banned. Which is fine, it's his blog but don't label him as guardian of free speech. That's just silly.
Also, if you did a little research you would find that President Bush did not bow to the Saudi King, he was receiving an award and lowered his head so it could go over his big dumb 'creationist' head, did I get that attack meme right?
Seems like Charles does matter, seeing how a lot of posters here are obviously fixated on everything he does, determinedly looking for that one time they can get their revenge on him.
He only matters in the way that many other degenerates matter -- he's commanded a pretty big following and thus invites a lot of piling on when it becomes clear what a hollow man he is.
I mean, when Britney's ragged and used genitals were exposed for all the world to see, many were hurt, having had a vision of her as being pure and virginal as the driven snow.
Same goes with Charles Johnson. To many he was positively Burkean, until it became clear that he had more in common with Robespierre.
Having ones illusions punctured hurts!
My point was (if anyone can find my previous comment) religious extremists have made the Republican party a political party of morons and idiots. A very large percentage of Republicans are creationists, and every educated person knows creationists are the most hopelessly stupid people in human history.
The religious right is not the problem.
The problem is the vast ocean of morons who bought into the Obama BS and the media they rode in on.
The religious right is not the problem.
The problem is the vast ocean of morons who bought into the Obama BS and the media they rode in on.
Really? I thought the problem was the worst economy since the Great Depression, not to mention the two wars we've been in longer than we were in World War Two.
The religious right is not the problem.
The problem is the vast ocean of morons who bought into the Obama BS and the media they rode in on.
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Shaddap, you creationist anti-vaccinistic stupid dumb person! /sarc
not to mention the two wars we've been in longer than we were in World War Two.>>
In the course of which we lost fewer people IN BOTH THE ENTIRE WARS than we did on Normandy Beach on D-Day.
I think we need to udnerstand that the GOP need not pander to relgious believers >>
Pander? Spit. We SET the agenda and always should, and shall. The faithful have been behind every social advance in the last 200 years, directly or indirectly.
And no, rule by the faithful is NOT a theocracy. A theocracy is rule by clerics, not by believers generally. (An atheocracy is ALSO rule by clerics, but the clerics are atheists in this case. God exists, yanno, He really does, and He created Man to believe in Him... so therefore there shall ALWAYS be more people of faith than there are elitist atheists. That renders an Atheocracy a Theocracy with no restraints whatsoever. And this past century is a catalogue of the crimes of the atheocracies.)
"The Church is a thermostat, not a thermometer." - Martin Luther King, Letter from a Birmingham Jail
I've been posting at LGF since long before registration was required. I am still currently a poster. I have yet to be banned. I've never met Charles but met dozens of other "lizards" at meets and made friendships that will last long after LGF is a Wikipedia footnote.
That said, every bad thing you've heard about LGF lately is absolutely true. Charles is a liberal whose blog attracted thousands of conservatives wanting to fight the good fight. I think this has always embarrassed him. So his solution is systematic purges. He finds a button to press and keeps pressing until all the "undesirables" have made their feelings known, at which point he cuts off heads.
It started with Creationism. But now, the list of "isms" no longer acceptable grows daily, as Charles shakes the tree to see how many he can knock out. His purges have even reached those who argue against the myth of rapidly rising sea levels and those who do not desire Obama's success with Socializing America.
His latest target is any Conservative gaining populist traction that Charles disapproves of. Forget Glen Beck or even Ann Coulter; Charles' targets include much bigger fish, like Limbaugh, Malkin, Gingrich, and lately Sarah Palin. There is now a daily Palin-bash thread (along with a daily Obama suck-up thread) designed for Charles to play yet more Conservative whack-a-mole.
Does that sound like an even remotely conservative blog owner to you? But beyond that is the gross myth that opposing viewpoints, so long as they're respectfully stated, are welcome at LGF. Nothing could be further from the truth. Any post that disagrees with Charles is automatically an "attack" on him, and his paranoia about posters out to get him knows no bounds. He returns none of the respect he is shown until a poster finally tells Charles where he can stick it, at which point Charles will ban the poster and delete every post in the discussion.
I loved LGF for the community, but most of my friends have already been banned or simply left. I post now and again just to keep Chucky honest, but it's becoming a full-time job and it won't be long before my dissent is not tolerated. But the truth IS finally coming out. LGF was a great blog, but it was great in spite of its creator, not because of him.
To Mr. Anonymous who just posted:
Anonymous said...
I've been posting at LGF since long before registration was required. I am still currently a poster. I have yet to be banned. I've never met Charles but met dozens of other "lizards" at meets and made friendships that will last long after LGF is a Wikipedia footnote.
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I would like to quote your entire post in toto on my blog, infinitemonkeysatthekeyboard.blogspot.com. Please post an "OK" or drop me an email at rkentesqva at yahoo.com. Gracias.
So his solution is systematic purges.>>
That's just SOOOOOO .... socialistic!
"There is an ongoing purge of Christians from the LGF site, who are either hounded into silence or banned."
so CyanSnowHawk ,...what happened to MamaWinger & Ma Sands??
jus'askin.
Looks as though you were dead on with this post Amit. The comments certainly seem to have confirmed it.
Yeah, you're right, Amit's dead on, if you can't read or wilfully ignore the obvious. Geez.
Actually I would like to indicate that the door to Infinite Monkey At The Keyboard is wide open to all and sundry former LGFers, and even present LGFers--although I reserve the right to not post filth or abject BS. Whatever that means. :0) Come one, come all.
infinitemonkeyatthekeyboard.blogspot.com
"Come on over to
infinitemonkeyatthekeyboard.blogspot.com. Get in on the ground floor."
It will be amusing to see how Mr. Kent responds when he gets banned from that site, too.
One thing's for sure, he'll never accept that it's his own fault. Seriously, never.
It will be amusing to see how Mr. Kent responds when he gets banned from that site, too.>>
I promise you that will never, ever happen. And that's a fact.
PS. I was not banned from LGF. I quit. Charles violated every rule of the book not by banning me, but by outing me. Big difference.
"Charles is right.
The birth certificate freaks, the 'Obama is a Muslim' idiots, the religious fools, all of you have been ruining the Conservative movement.
If we want to win we need to get rid of you. GO FORM ANOTHER PARTY. You will not destroy the Convervatives any longer."
As I mentioned before, I was banned simply for mentioning how I liked the book, "the 5,000 Year Leap" and had read it long before Glenn Beck mentioned it on his show. I also had no idea what conspiracies the author was into, I just thought the book itself was harmless, and I got banned for mentioning it.
He then deleted all of the comments and basically labeled everyone who talked about the book as racists and Birchers. Oooook then.
I had been registered with his site since memogate. I had no interest in the idiotic Birth Certificate conspiracy. If a Obama were a Muslim, I would have No problem with it. I do not believe in this "young earth creationism" Charles seems to obsess over. So why was I blocked? Because the dear Leader was in a bad mood? He's always in a bad mood.
and by the way, Conservatism is not a political party, it is a value system.
His site is a decent site, but he is constantly on the attack. He is obsessed with Robert Spencer. The two are contantly going at it that you'd almost think the feud was manufactured to create more hits for each of their sites. Oh did that sound conpiratorial? I must be a Bircher or a Paulian.
Hell, saying you watch Glenn Beck, the self proclaimed Rodeo Clown will get you blocked.
- B
If we want to win we need to get rid of you. >>
Little math hint: if you divide something in half it does NOT get larger in the process.
<< I would like to quote your entire post in toto on my blog, infinitemonkeysatthekeyboard.blogspot.com. Please post an "OK" or drop me an email at rkentesqva at yahoo.com. Gracias. >>
You really don't need my permission to repost something I have posted at another person's site under the name Anonymous, but since you asked, YES, by all means, repost my post anywhere you like.
Charles Johnson is a thin-skinned jack-booted thug. For someone as self-congratulatory as he is concerning his alleged devotion to science and inquiry, he is as intolerant of opposing views as any islamist. Republicans should steer clear of his fringe website.
Richard L. Kent
You are so full of crap..I've never seen Charles ban anyone unless they broke the few rules at the LGF.. The rules are simple and if you can't follow them then you deserve whatever you got...
You are a little crybaby punk.
and really..I hope you have the balls to reply
CyanSnowHawk:
You're wrong. I was never given a single warning. I was banned just minutes after posting two comments, one of which was admittedly a rather harsh attack on Charles and David Frum. But I was a commenter there for literally years, albeit an infrequent one. And I was banned and smeared almost instantly, without warning, simply for disagreeing with the recent tone of the blog.
Charles is no conservative. He's "conservative" like David Frum or Andrew Sullivan are conservative, which is to say not conservative at all.
"The birth certificate freaks"
I, personally, believe Obama was born in Kenya, but there are some serious questions about his past, and the secrecy he maintains about his past.
"the 'Obama is a Muslim' idiots"
Obama isn't a Muslim. But when a guy whose father was a Muslim, whose step-father was a Muslim, and whose middle name is Hussein bows to a Saudi King, that gets some people thinking. Also, check out this LA Times piece - http://articles.latimes.com/2007/mar/15/nation/na-obama15 - where numerous people who knew Obama as a child are quoted as saying that he regularly prayed to Allah at the local mosque as a youth, and was registered as a Muslim when he lived in the Muslim country of Indonesia from ages 6 to 10.
"the religious fools"
The vast majority of the people in this country are religious, you fool.
"all of you have been ruining the Conservative movement."
I disagree. The people who are doing damage to the conservative movement are people like Charles, who are spending all their time and energy attacking conservatives and driving wedges between conservatives.
"If we want to win we need to get rid of you."
Yeah, that makes sense. You "win" by telling your political base to go die in a fire. Perfectly logical.
"GO FORM ANOTHER PARTY."
Another great winning strategy. Let's split the conservative vote between two parties, so that the Democrats win every election in a landslide. You're a masterful political tactician, you know that?
"You will not destroy the Convervatives [sic] any longer."
The only people doing damage to the conservative movement are the people encouraging fratricide - people like you and Charles.
never seen Charles ban anyone unless they broke the few rules at the LGF.. >>
I wasn't banned. I quit. I'm not complaining about having to quit. (And who cares about that anyway?)
I'm complaining, very loudly, about Charles broadcasting my professional identity all over the place and revealing my supposedly anonymous nic and what that says: "Kiss my ass at all times or I'll try to destroy you professionally."
How many lizards now know he can and may get them fired?
He HAS to know now he screwed up.
The rules are simple>>>
Granted, but there is only ONE rule on LGF. "I am Charles, thy lord and thy god, and thou shalt have no other gods before me."
I hope you have the balls to reply>>
Really, it's rich, being lectured about balls by someone who only identifies himself by his preference for second tier collegiate sports activities.
Now go play with your ball and let us grownups talk.
Haha, I meant that I personally believe Obama was born in Hawaii. Sorry. :-/
Charles "RINO" Johnson, who is apparently hitting F5 on the comments here every ten seconds, just posted the following:
"By the way, I know who posted that back-biting comment over at Amit Ghate's site, and this person is no longer welcome to keep using my website while posting two-faced messages slamming me in the company of deranged stalkers."
Lord Charles is watching, always. All who dare oppose him will be found, and punished. Let that be a lesson to all who may speak ill of the Lizard King!
Read comment #156 from http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/33328_We_Got_Mail!/comments/#ctop and see if you don't throw up in your mouth a little at the worshipful tone of "Dianna" (probably a tranny).
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Comment #141 from that same post speaks of hunting the "heretic" down!
And these lunatics are calling other people nuts???
Hoosier Hoops said:
"I've never seen Charles ban anyone unless they broke the few rules at the LGF.. The rules are simple and if you can't follow them then you deserve whatever you got..."
Really?
Someone pointed me in the direction of this thread. Now I am very sorry that I followed that link.
To my friends: Have a wonderful and blessed Easter.
Memogate drew me to LGF. LGF's clear understanding of the islamist threat held my interest. Charles Johnson's arrogant intolerance and obsession with crushing any dissent to the theory of evolution got me banned and opened my eyes to what LGF has become--nothing short of a very strange forum for commenters to chant their support of Mr. Johnson. It's as strange as the cult of personality surrounding Obama.
Immediatley following last November's election, Mr. Johnson posted a screed arguing that the Republican's focus on social issues helped cost them the election and would doom the GOP to future electoral defeat. I commented in the thread that every ballot issue defining marriage as one-man, one-woman had passed and, therefore, such social issues were in fact electoral winners. I commented, I thought, in a reasoned and respectful manner. Mr. Johnson never even attempted to rebut the very obvious point of my post as well as others', namely that the election results flatly contradicted his thesis.
The tone of his replies in that thread struck me as rather abrasive, and dismissive of the argument which so clearly rebutted his specious assertions.
Over time I noticed an increasing number of posts about evolution v. creationism. More alarming, I noticed Mr. Johnson's very strident intolerance of commenters not buying into evolution hook, line, and sinker. Mr. Johnson's attitude was/is (he subsequently denied me access--I guess he thinks I have access to only one computer)that such people are stupid and beneath contempt, analogous to Holocaust deniers. I've continued monitoring his site and this development has only intensified since last year. I commented in a thread that Mr. Johnson was "obsessed" with the subject and then went on to finish whatever it was I was trying to say. Banned.
Now, LGF is Mr. Johnson's private property. He has every right to limit his registrants according to whatever standards he chooses. And he certainly has the right to ban whomever he pleases for whatever reasons he pleases. Many think his "standards" are whacky, intolerant, and hypocritical, but the point remains he controls the comments.
Now, perhaps it was rude to describe Mr. Johnson as "obsessed" with the evolution v. creationism debate. I certainly wouldn't attempt to explain how beings became such--way above my pay grade. However, I am a Christian. Many Christians don't suscribe to evolution theory. Many do. Fine and dandy, I don't really have a dog in the hunt. All I know is God is in control. But the fact remains that any commenter who evidenced the slightest doubt about the theory of evolution or the slightest advocacy for the Genesis account of creation was subjected to vicious ridicule and outright hostility by Mr. Johnson. I think most of his current commenters would agree and many of them, in fact, join Mr. Johnson in these attacks. I construe Mr. Johnson's behavior as anti-Christian, but whether that is the basis for his actions or not, his attacks are of the paranoid, overly-sensitive kind. It's almost as if he perceives those who doubt evolution theory as stealing his blankie and pacifier. The hysterical whining and lashing out is disturbing.
In hindsight, I'm proud to have been banned from LGF. I prefer open, respectful, thoughtful, and intelligent debate, and a little cyber-warfare from time-to-time as well. Neither is available at LGF. However, if you're into following the herd in worship of your leader, then by all means become a hatchling.
It really is a shame that LGF which took down Dan Rather is now planted on the fringe.
Charles "RINO" Johnson bans another commenter for daring to question him: http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/33328_We_Got_Mail!/comments/#ctop (Comment #519)
Poor guy. Best he join us.
Reminds me of that photoshop special. "Behead Those That Say that Islam Is Violent!"
By the way. Thank you Charles for eliminating me from your site. What you did in an attempt to hurt me and quiet my voice, actually ended up turning into a giant blessing. Pushing me out of LGF gave me an audience all across the country, and especially here in Wisconsin, that I never would have had otherwise, and has brought me a small measure of prosperity.
God works in mysterious ways, His wonders to perform.
Innit sumpin?
Charles is a huge hypocrite. He's now trying to act like the shining example of civility concerning things like Obama's birth certificate (which I agree, the whole thing is nonsense), but fails to mention that way back in the primaries, he was making posts asking "Where's your real birth certificate, Obama!?" and the like. When he was fervently anti-Obama, he was doing things like looking up any random rubbish he could find on the community blogs on Obama's site and attributing it directly to the then-Presidential candidate.
When I pointed out how ironic it was that Charles, who'd been personally blamed in the past by leftists sites for racism or another nonsense posted by users on his site, was now doing the same thing, he banned me, but only after looking up my 3 or 4 post history (I'd been a member without posting for a while before) and calling me an "Obama shill" or something of the like. (I can't look it up now since he keeps the site locked down like a death row inmate.)
It's just funny there are so many people who've had similar run-ins with the guy, and he seems to think he's always in the right and the masses of banned people are all mental cases. Just like how he accuses anyone posting anything critical of him here of having "empty lives", totally ignoring the fact that he scours the internet looking for mentions of him or LGF on a regular basis, only to feed his ego.
My username was Eri, by the way, for those who want to look it up (although I wouldn't put it past him to edit the logs.)
Oh goody! Charles has posted something new on Lance Armstrong.
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